Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign Limb, a podcast from Thrive magazine all about living well with limb loss or limb difference. I'm Jeff Thiessen, publisher of Thrive magazine and your podcast host.
My guest. This episode just celebrated 41 years at the same place of employment, something that's not quite the norm anymore. And for 25 of those years, he was the director of the War Amps of Canada's Play Safe, Drive Safe program and now serves in a senior advisor role with the association. Rob Larman lost his right leg above the knee when he was 14 when a friend dared him to jump on a slow moving freight train. And Rob ended up under the wheels. But not long after, he became one of the early graduates of the War Amps Child Amputee Program, which celebrates 50 years this year. And in those 50 years, the program has helped over 25,000 kids and their families manage the challenges of losing a limb and raising a child amputee. You know, from, from things like dealing with teasing and staring to accessing the best in everyday and recreational prosthetic limbs. Rob has been instrumental in the success of that champ program as an educator and a role model. Rob Larman, welcome. And how are you?
[00:01:25] Speaker B: Great, Jeff, thank you very much. Kind words for sure.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: Those are, I mean, those are your accolades. That's, you've earned that. So it's a pleasure to introduce you and knowing you for quite a long time, which I think we'll, we'll talk about a little bit in the next little while.
But I wanted to start. Well, obviously I want to learn more about those four decades of, of work at the War Amps. But let's start with after work. What do you like to do in your own time? For one, I understand you're a pretty good cook.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: Well, let's just put it this way, I haven't made anyone sick yet, Jeff. I always enjoyed cooking when I was younger, but I'm watching my daughter go through a culinary program. I really started gravitating and following her, her passions and learned a lot from her and cooking.
I also, you know, on weekends and that when I'm not traveling with the association for seminars and events, I, I spend time with her at her different establishments, restaurant and pub, helping out where I can. But I really do enjoy being out outdoors and by the water, boating, cottage life and of course, you know, some, some activity to get exercise, get some golf in there. You know, if you can hit one nice ball, it always makes you come back and play another round.
[00:02:49] Speaker A: I'm not a golfer, but that's all it takes. Just One good shot.
I suppose we talk handicaps, right? What's your. What's your handicap in golf? I'm talking about.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: Yeah, right leg above knee. That's what my handicap is.
I don't play enough to really score out a handicap. And, you know, I'm not competitive when it comes to that. Jeff, something I've learned that, you know, I don't have that competitive edge. I like to get out and enjoy the game. And as I said, you know, when you can hit a couple of nice balls during. During a game, then that. That's what makes you go back. And I kind of look at tackling the golf course, about tackling my own personal challenges and, you know, being able to excel and maybe get a little bit better. But I don't really follow handicaps.
[00:03:39] Speaker A: Well, sticking with going back, I was really fascinated with a couple of stories you told me about your young kids when they were young. A really pointed question that your son asked you at breakfast one morning, and more of a reaction from your daughter related to some stares you were getting when you were out at a hardware store, I think it was. So from a parenting with a disability standpoint, share those stories again and importantly, to your responses.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, it's really interesting, Jeff, because sometimes, you know, being a disabled. You know, we use that word loosely because really, just because you have a disability doesn't mean you're unable to do things. But, you know, raising your children, you were always there for them, setting a positive role for them to excel in whatever activities they were participating in. But we never really got inside. I never really got inside the mind of my children. I never. I never knew what they were thinking about me having one leg. And I remembered my son that morning, you know, having breakfast out on the deck, and, you know, he just had this really peculiar look on his face, and he said, dad, if you could have anything in the world, what would you want? And I pondered, because really like that, that's a broad, broad question. And what would you want?
And he. He looked at me with this bewildered look, and he said, wouldn't you want your leg back? And I had to pause and really think long and hard about that. And I said, I don't think so. I said, look at what I've been able to do, Riley. Look at the. Look at the work that I've been able to do with the War Amps Child Amputee program, you know, helping young. Young families going through traumatic loss or a loss of any kind.
And look. Look at the work that I was Doing with police forces, educating young children about the importance of making good choices. You know, when you're. When you're out in the playground and, and where you play and how you play and, you know, and I looked at that and I thought, no, I wouldn't want to change that. I. Yeah, sure. You know, being an amputee, you experience a lot of discomfort at times through excitement, selling in different activities or overdoing it, which I'm sure we'll get into. But, you know, there's a lot of positive that comes by it from it as well. And, you know, so I never, I never, I never thought that having my leg back would, Would be a better thing, you know, and, you know, you, you speak about my daughter and we talk about, you know, the individual amputee has people staring at them constantly, you know, especially upper limb amputees, because that's more visible. Whereas a leg amputee, if they have a pair of pants on, it's not as visible. Unless, of course, you're like myself, who will wear shorts as much as possible because it gives me comfort, especially in the summer, of course. Right. And, you know, and I'm okay with that. But we never realize the impact of others when you're with them, you know, very quickly. I know my brother sometimes walks eight feet behind me because he wants to see the reaction of everybody looking at me. I find that kind of weird. But anyways, there was this one. This one time I was in. In a hardware store with my daughter. She was young, maybe maybe seven or eight. And, you know, I was holding her hand because I was like walking fast because we had to pick up school projects. You know, you have to be a dad and help your. Your kids. School projects. And. And we were walking again rather quickly, and I felt a pressure on my hand, and she was squeezing my hand so hard, and I. And I stopped and shook her head. I took her hand off and I said, that hurt. Meg, what. What's wrong? And she goes, I don't like everyone staring at you. And, you know, I had to stop at that moment and go, wow. I didn't realize the impact that it can have on my children, people staring at their father and not maybe understanding why they're staring. And I explained to her very quickly, Jeff, and as I'm sure you have over the years, where it's morbid curiosity, here we are walking through the hardware store quickly at that, and there's a guy with one leg, you know, the pipes hanging out, and they've never seen anything like that. Before I said so, you have to recognize that. And I explained that to her and. But assured her that she should never, ever let other people's stares or gawking, if you will, hinder your progress in life. You have to be confident who you are as an individual and look beyond that.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm sure that's something you share a lot in your work with, with champ families. Right. With. With the siblings, I would imagine.
[00:08:54] Speaker B: Well, it's, It's. It's. It's a philosophy within the organization, you know, like a winner's circle philosophy and coping with the. The challenges and obstacles that come along with being an amputee. And, you know, you talk about hurdles and you know, when. When you say that word and you envision an image of a hurdle, you see people always jumping over. Well, you know, that's not always the case. You don't always have to go over top the hurdle. You have to assess the hurdle. What's the challenge? And sometimes it's going around, sometimes it's going underneath. It's adapting your approach to overcome for you to excel and be a part of that winner's circle where you can take any challenge and conquer it.
[00:09:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Interesting. When you talk about your kids, it takes me back to, you know, the years when mine were young too, and I had a lot of, I think, anxiety early on as a dad with. Without hands, particularly around their safety, you know, holding hands, walking across the street. And it was interesting. Quickly I learned that they. They were quick to grab my hand. They wanted to be as safe as. As much as I wanted them to be safe. And what I. I didn't know for a number of years is they would get asked, what happened to your dad? What happened to your dad? You know, me, as you said, upper extremity amputee, me being a double arm amputee, you know, kids after birthday parties or whatever. So I had an electric. When I was 11, my. My wife ran into one of the soccer moms at a grocery store, and they had never asked. We had socialized with them, and the mom said something along the lines of, yeah, we never knew that Jeff had a barbecue accident.
Said what?
Yeah, your son told our son that it was a really windy day and the. In the barbecue lid came down. So, I mean, this is their way of coping. Told the same story over and over. Now we're just gonna, you know, make up stories, but yeah, and I had never had that conversation with him either. Anyway, you had said something.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: It's. It's interesting, Jeff, the, you know, the stories that can come out, you know, after repeatedly explaining what happened to you and sometimes you just don't want to get into it. So, you know, hey, come up with a good story.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: Don't let a good story come and get in the way of the truth.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Of the truth. That's right. And I'm sure we, we could start recounting the stories we've, we've told, but we won't.
You talked about, you talked about adapting and that's where I wanted to go next because as card carrying amputees as we are, we, we need to adapt to change throughout our lives and particularly as we age. Right. And you're, I think you said proudly, you know, closing in on almost 50 years of being in the amputee community. And so what impact has that had in terms of, of aging or is having and, and, and what are you doing to adapt?
[00:12:04] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's interesting, Jeff, because, you know, when we're younger and we're amputees, we're, you know, full of vinegar, if you will, and, and we, we tackle everything and we never want our amputation to hold us back from achieving a completion of a project or an activity. And I found when I was younger, you know, you'd be doing renovation work and building decks and hopping off a deck and, you know, hitting the ground three feet below on the one leg and, you know, not really respecting the potential damage you could be doing as you get older. You know, prevented medicine and, you know, I found over the. Yes, thanks for highlighting almost 50 years, Jeff. I, that means a lot. Yeah.
But, you know, I'm 47 years in and you know, I've run into all kinds of, you know, complications with my foot, you know, overuse syndrome. And you know, it breaks down after a period of time to the point where, you know, walking or standing gets very uncomfortable. So I have to be, you know, very proactive, Go for a lot of pedicures, make sure that the foot's getting massaged.
You know, my knee also has, you know, has, has gone through orthoscopic surgery. And you know, there, there are devices on the market now where massaging knee braces with red light technology, I've been using that and it does wonders for my knee.
So in, you know, it's taking a different approach now. You know, instead of doing all the heavy lifting and that you get help or you break down the, the load and you do maybe a couple of more trips, you know, getting, getting debris out of the house or, or whatever, you're Doing, but it's being the mindset is looking at, you know, what. What your.
What the job is and analyzing it a little bit clearer before you just jump in to get it done. You know, you gotta look after your back, too. Like, I mean, if. If, you know, being very conscientious of how the limbs fitting and making sure it's fitting property alignments properly, you know, because you can throw your back out very, very quickly when you ignore some of those little signs that you might experience as an amputee. So it's, you know, for a new amputee, it's. It's something to be mindful of. It's not a scared straight approach where you're saying, don't be active, don't participate in these events or whatever. Just be a little bit smarter than the task, be a little bit smarter than the activity. You know, get a knee brace on if you're downhill skiing. Protect the sound limb as much as possible to. To ensure that you don't sustain, you know, injury to the point where it provides a real impairment.
[00:15:12] Speaker A: And socket. You've talked a lot about socket fit too, right? So key. Yeah, it is.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: It's crucial, you know, when sometimes, you know, we always say, you know, gain five, ten pounds, you've got to visit going to the prosthetist. And in reverse, if you lose five or ten pounds, you know, you could be going for adjustments as well.
You know, this is something we teach children and families in the CHAMP program as well. You have to be mindful of that. You know, sometimes you can get away with a loose socket and keep going, but you could be providing or provoking potential medical problems, back problems, the same with the extra weight that you carry. So you have to be mindful, you have to keep a close eye on that.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. You said something that really made me kind of stop and pause, and I wasn't sure if I agreed, but I understand where you were coming from. So you said amputation does define you, and for so many others, they don't want amputation to define them. But talk about your perspective on that. Where are you coming from with that?
[00:16:27] Speaker B: Well, Jeff, I. I think it maybe has a lot to do with the fact that I've spent, you know, 41 years working with the War Amps and in an educational role for many years where you're going out in the public and you're talking about the importance of safe play and the consequences of not playing safely. And, you know, it was always Rob Larman, the above knee amputee. You know, and when you're wearing shorts, it's always, you know, creating an opportunity for people to ask questions. So it does become who you are. You know, as. As I've always taken the role, Jeff, of answering the questions of people. I really have, because I think. I think education is important.
I think that it eliminates the negativity associated with the disability. When you can educate someone, the next time they see an amputee, they wouldn't maybe stare at them because they've learned about amputation, they understand how the artificial limb works or what have you. So I just find that, you know, you're always in that educational role. I remember one time, Jeff, I was getting ice cream with. With a friend of mine, and she couldn't make up her mind. So we're there and we're, you know, trying to decide what ice cream, and this little boy came in with his father, and I had a pair of shorts on, and he kept looking me up and down, up and down, but he wouldn't say anything, right? So I kind of. I kind of winked at him, and he kind of smiled and put his head down. And I said, it's a pretty cool leg, isn't it? And he just shook his head like, yeah, it's really cool. Like, what kid doesn't like robots, right? And. And I said, do you want to know how it works? And I explained to him how it works and how it has a computer and spent that little bit of a time, educated him. He didn't want to touch it. But, you know, I answered. I answered some questions for him, and he got his ice cream, licked it away, and away he went with his dad. But as his father was leaving the story, he turned around, he said, excuse me, sir. I said, yeah. He said, thanks for taking the time to do that. You know, hey, that's great. You know, that, that. That empowers me because I just help that little guy understand something. And, you know, maybe the dad's going to speak to him a little bit about that on their way home as they enjoy their ice cream. So I don't know.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Yeah, and that's a great story. And I want to ask about the sort of the flip side of that. And from my own experience, same thing. You know, kids want to know what happened, and kids get a free pass on that. That's right. Anytime, you know, and after explain and kind of dumb down the, The. The.
The electrocution story. Right.
You know, often parting words are.
The parents are using it as a. As a teachable moment for for their kids. See, you got to play safe. Well, I right away become this object of a bad choice, the consequence. Right. So in all your life of educating, you've had to position yourself, I guess, in that way, as you are the consequence of hopping a freight train. It's just maybe, you know, well, it wasn't the right thing to do. Forget the maybe part. So has that ever taken a toll on you, like, mentally or psychologically?
[00:20:00] Speaker B: Not. Not really, Jeff. I. You know, but if we're going. If we're going to be honest, you know, when that happened to me, you know, I was in a very dark place in my life, and, you know, it screamed out, why me? Why me? Why me?
And as time started to, you know, pass and I got stronger and I was able to walk well, and I was riding my bike again, and, you know, I had the opportunity to. To meet other amputees, I started to realize that the work I was doing, maybe that was the answer. Maybe it was the answer that, you know, I had enough strength within me to be able to turn it into a positive, whereas maybe someone else wouldn't have been able to turn that into a positive.
So it never negatively impacted me mentally.
It was draining at times because, you know, you were constantly sharing that story, and I like the way you put it. Like, I mean, yeah, I'm. The consequences of a bad decision, but isn't it better to learn from someone that went through it, and maybe that changes your mindset before you go to do something that is kind of silly or dangerous. Right?
[00:21:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And no doubt you've done that with all the work with Play Safe and Drive Safe and the. The PSAs we've seen on TV and all the hours you've spent schools and with police. Yeah, no doubt you've saved a few limbs along.
[00:21:32] Speaker B: I'm just glad that that's the time I spend with police.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: Unless there's something else you want to share.
[00:21:38] Speaker B: Not today, Jeff.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: Right, then.
You know, I find there's this real irony and what you ended up doing as a career, as we talked about, you know, play safe, drive safe, the Chant Champ program, when that first Champ seminar that you went to was really a place you didn't want to be, that your mom really laid the law down and said, we're going. The war amps are supporting you. You are going. But you have said that that was the first step on your road to acceptance, I guess might be a way to put it so. How so? And talk about that, that first experience.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: Well, it was a tough one. Jeff, Because I was, I was very young. I was just edging on the age of 16, I guess at the time, or 15.
And I did not want to be associated with people missing limbs, you know, because it showcased my challenges that I knew I was struggling with.
And after arriving at that champ seminar, well, I, I was dragged.
I spent a little bit of time down at the pool the very first evening after dinner and I saw all these incredible, young, beautiful children, you know, playing around, jumping in and out of the water and there was arms and legs scattered everywhere and, and I, I kind of chuckled to myself and, and then I saw this young guy get out of the water and he didn't have upper limbs and I just thought, wow.
And then he grabbed a towel and he started drying himself off and he put on these two above elbow artificial hooks.
Like it was a daily activity, of course, but like there was no tomorrow. It was very natural. And that was you. That was you. And I remember throughout the course of the weekend, all you never knew this, but I was doing what all those morbid curiosity people were doing was I was staring all weekend. I was watching you have a meal, I was watching how you did certain things. And with that experience in hand and seeing all those kids around the pool smiling and laughing and having fun, I really had to look deep in the mirror and say, what's wrong with you, man? If all these people can handle it and have a good time, what's stopping you?
What is stopping you? And you know, along with great veterans like Cliff Chatterton and sports consultants like Carl Helsinger and all the positive messaging that really I, I started to buy into that and I started to realize that you got this, you, you can do this. And you have this enormous organization behind you providing great artificial limbs, great advice, great opportunities to connect with so many other amputees and let's face it, we're stronger in numbers. You know, when you're in a community of amputees, you learn from one another and that's what we do at our champ seminars. But we're also sharing some of the challenges and how we over overcome them. But that really, Jeff, had to be my road to acceptance and road, independence and knowing that I was going to be okay.
[00:25:23] Speaker A: So you were the guy that was always staring at me that weekend. That was me. Yeah, that I know. And I thought you wanted to be friends. And, and we did become friends and.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: We did become very good friends. And you know, there's, there's many, many stories that we won't delve into. But yeah, there was lots of times that you and I represented the work of the WAR Amps at various venues and, and, you know, and, and public awareness projects. And yeah, I mean, we did become very good friends and I learned a lot and I still do.
[00:25:57] Speaker A: It's terrific.
Let's jump into a little bit more about the CHAMP program. So celebrating 50 years and it does so much and you just gave a great story on what it, what it did for you, but it's, there's so many layers and levels to what these seminars, what the program does. So talk about, be it the program, the seminars itself, what are some of the things that it provides or offers young amputees, but families too?
[00:26:26] Speaker B: Well, yeah, it's a full package program, if you will, and very well rounded. And as you know, Jeff, it was started in 1975 by our war amputee veteran members when, you know, our CEO Cliff Chatterton, you know, spoke about, you know, everything was there for the war amputee veterans at that stage. But who was going to speak for these children? Who is going to be there to set the mark, if you will? And that's why they started champ. And you look at the financial assistance, that would be a very big hindrance on any family having to absorb the cost of artificial limbs because of the lack of funding for these devices.
And so it starts with the funding and it starts with the, the seminars and really, to coin a phrase, amputees helping amputees. That's how our veteran members overcame and, and segued back into society and were very successful. So with those same philosophies, they provided a community or an environment at these CHAMP seminars for children to come together to realize that they're not the only one. They're not alone. There are other people. And that community gets strengthened and the support then becomes life changing, if you will, because you can speak with experienced amputees and families can speak with other families that maybe had the difficult challenges, but they're beyond that now. But continue to come to the seminar to offer that peer support in order for children to get on that right road to independence. And again, it's philosophies, it's outlooks, it's winner's circle philosophy. Not looking back at what you've lost, look at what you have right in front of you. And that's ability, strength, dreams, desires, and you can succeed, right? So you, you know, you provide the right level of sorry, you provide the, the, the right artificial limbs to meet the, the need and a child will, you know, keep up with their peers, if not surpass them. So through champ, we're able to bring people together. And we're very, very lucky that the Canadian public, you know, supports our key tag service, which allows us the funding to, to run programs like CHAMP and seminars. And, you know, we expanded even after Covid. When we couldn't, you know, be in contact with our families. We went virtual. You know, we started creating sessions online so that we could be in the family's home and continuing to make that connection and strengthen the relationships that are important for the children to have access to.
[00:29:24] Speaker A: It's not an overstatement to say that there is really no other organization like the War Amps in the world. Right. The way it runs, the way it raises funds, the services it provides, it is really unique.
[00:29:38] Speaker B: It, it's, you know, it's uniquely Canadian and, you know, and we should all be very proud of that and proud of our veteran members for establishing what they established because the impact now is set for far into the future. And, you know, we're not just a charity that, you know, sticks our hand out and wants and wants funds. We provide a valuable loss key return service. And, you know, and in return, you can see what the work we're doing, the impact we're making in the lives of Canadian amputees, not just children, but adults as well, where we can, you know, provide the resources, the funding and the work of advocacy that we do.
[00:30:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that too. It's maybe not as well known, but the War Amps does assist adult amputees too, in different ways, but in similar ways, and particularly that. That one on one basis. Right. So I have a problem with accessibility in a. My parking lot or having insurance funding problems. These, these are things you help us with, right?
[00:30:48] Speaker B: Absolutely. You know, but, you know, take it from the, the ground set with the child. First of all, they could be having, you know, problems in the school system. They could be having, you know, problems with bullying. They can have problems with, you know, accessing certain eligible program or support somewhere. We can advocate for them. We know where to go to get the information. We know what the historical nature is of being amputees. We have over 100 years experience, you know, dealing with amputation that's been passed on from our veteran members. But, you know, it's also helping out families and also adults, you know, deal with, you know, dtc, which is the disabled tax credit, or rdsp. You know, the, the retirement savings plan for disabled people. You know, sometimes families or adults, they don't know, the. The ins and outs and. And we can help support that, especially when they get denied, you know, access. We can then step in with resources and support to ensure that they get the entitlements.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: Yeah, interesting. I'm glad we brought that up because. And we could call. Right. The war amps and speak to someone about an issue or a problem and get some help with it.
[00:32:13] Speaker B: Absolutely. There's a ton of resources there, Jeff, and it's. Again, it's continuing on the work of amputees, helping amputees. And, you know, sometimes there's maybe not boundaries, maybe there's obstacles that take a little bit more time or other challenges that might slow a process down or. Or may have to take a different direction, but we're always there to, you know, provide the support and the resources to all Canadian amputees.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And I know there are a lot of great resources, from daily living to driving to assistive devices.
It's terrific the content that. That. That the Warhams has for us. I've got one last, last question for you, and I appreciate all the time you've given already, Rob. You know, in meeting so many amputees, you. I mean, and so many young amputees and watching some of these youth grow up.
I mean, that.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: That.
[00:33:13] Speaker A: That's a really cool perspective, I'm sure, from. From your standpoint, too. But is there a. A common ingredient or two or three in that recipe of living life to the fullest or thriving after limb loss? What are the commonalities that kind of pave that road to the youth that you've seen become doctors and lawyers and pilots and. Or whatever, but enjoying life?
[00:33:39] Speaker B: Well, I think there's a multitude of ingredients, if you will, Jeff.
And, you know, I know that I work with the war amputation of Canada, and it's been. It's been a lifeline, a lifelong career for me.
But you do have to look at the incredible work we do and the philosophies in which we instill in amputees and the reinforcement of funding we give. These are all really important aspects of. Of moving the.
A positive mindset. But you cannot negate the importance of our. Of the parents, you know, that are raising the children. You know, they're doing a great job because they're. They're. They're adapting, they're taking, you know, resources that we provide, advice, we provide strength. They get from other families they meet at CHAMP seminars. And, you know, these are lifelong relationships that are formed.
And I think that there lies part of the nucleus to this success.
And it certainly doesn't help when you have an organization like War Amps that says, listen, sky's the limit. You can do whatever you want. And we turn around and say, and we're going to help you because we're going to establish a bursary program. We're going to make sure that you get post secondary education so that you do succeed in a good position, a good job, and, you know, and, and again, reinforcing the importance of accepting your amputation and allowing yourself to become whatever you want. I, I mean, the stories that I've seen have melted my heart and you know, to run into some of these people, you know, as years go on and, and to see what they're doing now, it makes you very proud to have been involved in some small way as, as, as an employee and some, some all way of being part of that and, but a bigger component is being part of the organization that has really stood, you know, behind them and giving that gentle way for them to get on that road to independence.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that is a nice way to sum up what the organization does, but don't dismiss what you do. I mean, I talked about you being an educator and we know you well for that. But that role model, too, is so important that peer support, regardless of maybe age difference, but the commonality of amputation and showing kids, you know, where they can go. So thank you for, for all you've done for our community, Rob. It's, it's terrific. It's been great, great having you on and reconnecting. Unless there's something else to be shared for, you know, from the warrants perspective, we're going to sign off.
[00:36:54] Speaker B: Bob, I think this was a great opportunity and I really appreciate the kind words and, and, and I look forward to putting in another, at least another 10 years for you.
[00:37:05] Speaker A: All right, you hit that 50 mark. Super.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: We'll be, we'll be better for it. So thanks so much, Rob Larman. And with that, this has been life and limb. Thanks for listening. If interested in contacting Rob, you can do that through the, the War Amps program.
Lots more on the website as, as we talked about. And I think that's waramps ca, correct, Rob?
[00:37:31] Speaker B: That's correct.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: WAR Amps ca.
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